George... Lizard people? What do you know of them?

K... Conspiracy theorists are everywhere, but I am not naive.

We, on the Net are the people changing the World. I believe that our Governments have basically brainwashed the Masses against this. 

I mean seriously... They actually tell us that we have 'Constitutional Rights," but do we?  I believe that WE are 'The New World Order,' and that WE are the ones creating 'Order' out of the Chaos that they have created for us.

I want one of those cars.

Scared everyone off?    

Na;

 I just went out to the shop to work on Clearing Space; and Setting up for my Hog To Sausage Project..

I think it takes a certain kind of Rebelious Mind to maintain critical thinking amongst all the  Divisive Noise and Sales Pitches;

 for everything from God's;

To various Forms of Slow Death; packaged as enjoyments...

But I Agree, that thru the Net We can Comunicate Enough "Truths";

 to Open More, and more minds; untill we Reach a Critical Mass of Spiritualy Aware Lovers of Life and Freedom; That Can Change the world for those that Still Want it.

and maybe;

 we can also Create a very convincing;

 ARMaGedon/Rapture Ride to OuterSpace ;

 for those that Wanna See it end Thier way...

  ..and the "Blue People" Could Come down for thier true believers; and take them to the next of the infinite Realities That they have to work thru Higher and Higher life forms Before They can Leave the Wheel...

Wha?

 You Realy thought Humans Were the Highest Step?...

He's right you know. There are higher... and lower too. Mwahahah!

Rod... I have Never been a believer that Humans are the Higher/Highest step.

I get really tired of hearing that this 'Order' is a bad thing. I've tried to explain it before, but people don't want to listen.

Conspiracy Sites. It really bothers me that people visit these Sites for several reasons.  When the page loads it is in 3-D Colors that are swirled around every which way. If I had 3-D Glasses I am willing to bet that there are 'Subliminal Messages' hidden behind the swirls. They are Brainwashing people to keep them in a panic.

There are flashing lights, and Spirals that can hypnotize you into a 'Subjective' State, and this is probably Why so many people believe the garbage. They don't realize what's happening to them just by clicking on these pages.

I've seen the tricks, and I've done the research on Masons. Masons have Nothing to do with these Sites. Masons were and are the Builders. They are here to help.

Our Governments allow for these Sites because it helps them to further their goals, so yes there is a 'Conspiracy' but not the ones that we are being hypnotized into believing by visiting these Sites.

The 'Conspiracy' on our side is to build a better World for all. To change the Injustices and Protect the weak.

The Actual Government 'Conspiracy' is to keep us off-balanced so that we will continue to believe that we need them for our comfort and safety. And part of the way they do this is by allowing these Sites, and blocking others.  Yes, they do...

But, they having nothing to do with the NWO, and it is 'Order.'

There are some things in today's world that can be like a sort of litmus test. One of those, however, is very emotion packed and is guaranteed to produce a lot of cognitive dissonance. That, in fact, was the idea from the very outset. I bet there's a split in this group between those who believe the WTC 9/11 catastrophe was an inside job and those who believe the official network story. It's worth noting that they knew those buildings would have to come down due to galvanic corrosion way back in 1989. They took 12 years putting that whole thing together. Does our own government regularly lie to us?

Strange that you should bring up 9/11. After researching it for the past few days because of another group thread I have come to a new theory.  I will have to explain it later since I have to leave in a minute here.

Does our Government lie to us? Of course they do...!!!   I'm hoping that in this day and age there are not too many people that believe them blindly. Our Parents did, and that is one of the ways we ended up with such a chaotic World.

WidderShinsDiscordian Hippy Barbarian;  Belief System. 

I would Be happy to Consider myself Part of the:

 "New World DisSOrder"

Because,

 Even Though I don't Believe in Violent Revolution;

 (as it Ususaly Ends with the Best Killers and "Sellouts" On top)

(Now Self Defense, Both Personal & National; is Another matter entirely)

I do Believe that a Correction of a major Sort is Coming;

 and it is Up To Us To Accept the Chaos That is Our Global Karma;

 & To Bring  Back a Ballance   

 Between Humanity

and

the Rest of the Universe..

and raised us to have a Healthy Distrust of anything from Gov, Big Biz, and Church Sources;

So I alway's Keep my Salt Shaker handy;

 open to the BIG Pinch Setting... 

"I do Believe that a Correction of a major Sort is Coming;"

I do also Rod, but the Violence that everyone believes to be coming is probably nothing but a smoke screen to keep us on edge, and in fear of the NWO.

I believe that it is more of a Spiritual Awakening, and a United Cause for good.

I believe my waking visions were part of some form of widespread wakeup call. I was aware I was not alone in seeing these things. Since having the visions I have met and spoken to others who had similar experiences.

But the interesting thing is, the variety of widely differing interpretations. Fortunately I got through ego 101 sufficiently well in order to realise that my own interpretation is just that, my own interpretation. Many of the others I think disconnected before they got to that lesson - ego took over. Most seem to have got the message about love, and most got the message about the "ascension" and I think it was the latter (or their interpretation of what I interpreted at the time as a mass ascension) that casued them to recoil in fear, causing them to disconnect from the rest of the lessons, leaving them with unexplained images of many many people apparently becoming spirits simultaneously.

I believe it is this message that is the one people are struggling with. I have a number of interpretations of my own as to what the message meant, and I'm also aware that such visions in themselves come with multiple meanings.

However, having stayed connected following this visions, I recieved other visions that sought to expalin, or rather, diffuse the concern I was feeling.

You won't get a clear "this is what is going to happen" and "this is when" from me, I do not believe I was given sufficient information to reach a firm conclusion. But I would say some things:

1. Everyone in my vision was being ascended - there was no judgement in the biblical sense and there was no hell. All who were ascending were doing it out of choice and that ascension appeared to me to be into a new state of being.

2. The new state of being as I just described it, could easily also be a new state of conciousness. I did not see anyone die, all I saw was the the "light body" of the people rising above the earth and conecting to others using bonds of love. This could easily be simply a view of a new love based society rising up from our current situation.

3. Whatever I saw, it was of major benefit to us all. If and when it happens, no-one will be left behind who does not wish to be, and I got the feeling nobody made that choice.

4. This change came about as a wave. a small number started the process, and the changes rippled away from them, like the ripples from a stone thrown into a pond.

This was pretty much my waking vision, ego 101 followed swiftly afterwards giving me a clear understanding or why we are delusional and brainwashed thanks to our disconnection with self.

Once you understand the process of disconnection and the impact it has on humans, it is very easy to see us all as being manipulated by the powers that be. Obviously to a great extent we are manipulated. Let's face it, as individuals we manipulate, this translates into our larger collective ego groups, meaning that anyone becoming a member of an ego group will almost certainly see their personality change in accordance with the collective undercurrent. Meaning the nicest polotician or individual can easily become the next hitler once elected to office, depending on the sentiment of that collective ego.

In other words, as far as I am concerned, we conspire against ourselves and this is reflected within our power structures, no matter who would be in charge of them. I'm certain many willingly participate, having bought into the whole "I am powerful therefore I have more worth than anyone else" trip, but there is no blaim that can be attached. They are just playing there role, just like everyone else.

The greatest "conspiracy" in my view, is that understanding and stopping this disconnected behaviour is simple. Yet that knowledge has been hidden from the vast majority of the human race for so very very long. with those that understand finding themselves without the "right words" to transmit this knowledge to the masses. I'd say yes, this is more than happenchance at work here, but I seriously doubt any group of people could have engineered this mass ingnorance to the perfection that we see. This appears to be a divine conspiracy to me.

George, everything you describe is predicted in the eleventh and twelfth canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam. There it says the because of this incipient age of Kali which started five thousand years ago, there will be major disruptions and a general decline in social justice and cultural values due to increasing moral degradation. 

George, this is what I 'get' too:

All who were ascending were doing it out of choice and that ascension appeared to me to be into a new state of being.

2. The new state of being as I just described it, could easily also be a new state of conciousness.....  conecting to others using bonds of love. This could easily be simply a view of a new love based society rising up from our current situation.

Can't help to wonder, if not for the 'current situation', there would be no need for a 'new love based society'.  So, I have to agree with it being a 'divine conspiracy'.

Sarvo, so what comes next?  Or has it yet to be 'written'?

a new state of being

Actually, I don't think it's "new" at all.  And has been referred to as, a state of mind, and way of being.

Yes, Vic, I think we are in agreement, each of us as an individual (other than the few) needs to have that crisis, in order to wake up. No crisis = continued false happiness.

People have repeatedly demonstrated that they can adjust to nearly any set of circumstances. We are all, by nature, very resilient and resourceful. If on the strength of that, however, we become complacent and accept a situation that can only lead to suffering, then we are not using our human opportunity in the best possible way.

Then again Sarvo, lots of people are having lots of crisis' all the time. Admittedly for most the programming cuts straight back in once it's over, but the universe will continue delivering crisis until they find the right path.

It's helpful if I can understand that I need to be a survivor rather than accept the role of victim. If I can't understand that I'm eternal, then I won't be as convinced about my chances of survival.

George, that's interesting what you write about 'the programming cutting back in, once the crises are over'.  Read a news headline a few days ago that said, 47% of Americans were 'happy' about the financial crises, because it's helped in realigning what really matters most, family, friends, community, simple pleasures...  However, they'll be glad when the recession is over.

Sarvo, I hear ya.  My focus is on 'focus' and intent.  Can't, won't focus on the victim role in any way shape of form.  Project more than survival.

I think the 'universe' is gonna keep dishing it out until the path is forged directly back to Source.

In the meantime...

The End of Life As We Know It

by Owen Waters

The senior scientist who runs NASA’s ‘Ask an Astrobiologist’ web site is inundated with emails from people asking if something dire is about to befall the planet in the year 2012. He says that the concerns arise from people reading some of the 200+ different books that focus on predictions about 2012.

These predictions come from records left by the ancient Mayan culture, which possessed advanced astronomical information. They pointed out that, at the winter solstice on December 21st, 2012, many cosmic cycles will come to a close and begin anew. The year 2012 is an unusual one in the cosmic history of Earth because the length of these cycles varies from 5,200 years to several million years in length.

The Internet today is rife with doomsday prophets who, like all doomsday prophets, seem to secretly hope that bad things will happen to humanity. This time the excuse for such excitement is 2012. Before that, it was Y2K. On January 1st, 2000, computer chips everywhere were supposed to fail. Y2K was boldly predicted to be the Achilles heel that would bring civilization to an abrupt end. And, what actually happened? Nothing, unless you happened to have a very old computer that needed an update.

Mitch Battros of Earth Changes Media newsletter says about 2012 disaster predictions, “There will be fraudsters, pranksters, and charlatans coming out of the woodwork, of which some are smart enough to cover themselves by calling it entertainment.” By ‘entertainment,’ he was referring to the upcoming epic disaster movie, ‘2012.’

2012’s Roland Emmerich likes to create larger-than-life tales about global doom. He has created spectacular scenes of destruction in movies like ‘Independence Day,’ where aliens attacked cities from huge spaceships. He had ‘Godzilla’ flatten New York City and, in ‘The Day After Tomorrow,’ he wrecked Hollywood with mega-tornadoes.

Is nothing sacred? Well, if you count the upcoming ‘2012’ disaster flick, no. When asked why he likes “killing the world,” Emmerich replied, "It makes for a good story." In ‘2012,’ he has Los Angeles slide into the ocean and the huge statue of Jesus above Rio de Janeiro gets shaken to pieces. He even has an impossibly high tidal wave somehow reach all the way up into the Himalayan mountains, just high enough to knock a monk off the top of one of the peaks.

Moving from the ridiculous to the sublime, I recently discovered a bright example of quite the opposite kind of 2012 fiction. Instead of engaging in mindless sensationalism, this new book about 2012 manages to be both intelligent and uplifting.

‘The Twelve’ by William Gladstone is an inspiring novel centered around the 2012 predictions. He weaves prophecy into a global adventure novel about one man’s relentless pursuit of the answers to a great spiritual mystery. Eventually, after continuous page-turning suspense, the protagonist meets all of the twelve people who are the key to his destiny and that of the world.

Throughout this fast-paced novel, the reader is reminded of the higher connections that all people share if they will only be open to their intuitive guidance. When the hero finally arrives at the crossroads of his ultimate destiny, the biggest surprise of the book unfolds and the chase is finally won.

I heartily recommend this book to anyone who would like to treat themselves to a novel of hope, inspiration, and the upliftment of humanity. It’s a great read and, as a classic in the making, I’ve had no hesitation in adding it to my Recommended Books list of Modern Spiritual Classics at:

http://www.infinitebeing.com/reading.htm

I guess it boils down to 'choice'.  Choose to focus on half full or half empty.  Gratiude, or disgust.  Another place where free will comes into play.

George : "This appears to be a divine conspiracy to me."

That is brilliant.

George I totally agree with you, that is the same conclusion I have come up with.

According to the Vedas this particular yuga (age) that we're now in (Kali) will last for another four hundred and twenty-seven thousand years before there is a cosmic devastation and the whole process starts over again.

"Vedic Cosmology is yet another ancient Vedic science which can be confirmed by modern scientific findings and this is acknowledged by well known scientists and authors, such as Carl Sagan and Count Maurice Maeterlinck, who recognized that the cosmology of the Vedas closely parallels modern scientific findings.

Carl Sagan stated, "Vedic Cosmology is the only one in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology."

Nobel laureate Count Maurice Maeterlinck wrote of: "a Cosmogony which no European conception has ever surpassed."

French astronomer Jean-Claude Bailly corroborated the antiquity and accuracy of the Vedic astronomical measurements as "more ancient than those of the Greeks or Egyptians." And that, "the movements of the stars calculated 4,500 years ago, does not differ by a minute from the tables of today.""

None of my neo-religions have such a concept as the end of the world.

"this particular yuga (age) that we're now in (Kali) will last for another four hundred and twenty-seven thousand years"--- what a fricken relief!!!  I was concerned that I raked all those leaves today, for nothing!

"the movements of the stars calculated 4,500 years ago, does not differ by a minute from the tables of today.""  So, basically, nothing's changed?

Amen, Hallelujah, Hare Krishna, Om Shanti....... you get the drift.

Carl Sagan, my first love, Carl Jung my second.  I'll have to look-up the Count.

<grinning>  there are different concepts of yugas, and how much time each one really occupies.  it could be several thousand years of Kali Yuga left.  hard to say.

"what's a yuga?

yu-gana find out!"  (ie, "you gonna find out.............!" ouch, yet another bad Sanskriglish pun!)

Alx

Generally it is agreed by those who carefully study the Vedas, that we have another four hundred and twenty-seven thousand years before the end of this present age of Kali. Do some people argue about the veracity of this figure? Of course.

Some people will argue over anything. Picky, picky, picky.

Are yu-gana be around then to find out? (har har)

Is it gonna take several thousand years to find out, twenty-seven thousand years, to be exact?  Is it an individual you gonna find out kinda thing, or group?

Yuga (Devanāgari: युग in Hindu philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Satya Yuga (or Krita Yuga), the Treta Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga and finally the Kali Yuga. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years^[1][2], which is one full day (day and night) for Brahma. The lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion years.[1] The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion around a central sun.^{[citation needed]}

Kali Yuga (Devanāgarī: कलियुग, lit. "age of (the male demon) Kali", or "age of vice"), is the last of the four stages that the world goes through as part of the cycle of yugas described in the Indian scriptures.

Well actually in cosmological terms, each cosmological "day" is shorter in earth time than the day before, it has something to do with the expansion of the universe/time/space continuum.  If you look at the age of the planet, it went through phases and each phase was about half the time as the phase before.  I'll look it up and report back.  it is written in the Kabbalah and I think Stephen Hawking also wrote about it but I am not sure where I read it and will have to find it and do some digging. 

Basically, the concept is mapped out in genesis http://biblebrowser.com/genesis/1-2.htm  When the earth was in its infancy (darkness) no light could get in and everything was chaotic and volcanic, this was day 1 (in cosmological terms.)  later on in the "day" light passed through the atmosphere and things settled down, the earth settled and earth and sky seemed separate.  On day 2, which lasted half as long as the previous day (in cosmological terms) The waters and the land started settling and vegitation appeared.  On the third "day" the earth started cooling off and settling into the seasonal patterns of winter, summer, etc and stars could be seen.  Etc, etc... you get the picture and can read the link which is a biblical account.

I'll fetch the resources if I get a chance.

EDIT: Found one (just in time to edit this post) the first article I found, check it out.  There are more

http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Briefs/genesis.html

LJ D, you ask, "Are yu-gana be around then to find out? (har har)"

Because I am very complacent and lazy there is a good chance I'll be born and die repeatedly in Kali yuga. This, however, is not recommended since things will inevitably become more and more degraded with the passage of time. It is described in the final canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam that in the last stages of Kali Yuga, before Kalki comes, people will have become so evil that they will only have children to eat them. It's better to take full advantage of this human form of life and either progress on to higher heavenly regions or even better, go on to the spiritual realm and go back home, back to Godhead.

fortunately, there are upward swings in the Kali Yuga, too.  all the yugas have like micro-cosmic yugas in them.  

Alx

That's true. Five hundred and twenty-three years ago, only five thousand years into Kali Yuga, the Golden Avatar (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) brought the method of seva (devotional service) of Hari Nama Sankirtan (public chanting of the holy name). As a result there is now a momentary flash of enlightenment (predicted to last only ten thousand years) in this otherwise darkest of ages. The Vedas say that even great rishis on various heavenly planets are standing in line to take birth here in order to take advantage of such a rare and wonderful opportunity. 

Kerri.... Thank You for the links.  Was just perusing the "Recently Published Articles", at the link found at the end of the "Reconciling Genesis" article.  For easy access:

<http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/vic_stenger /schrev.html>.

Very interesting stuff.

I agree, anything that will help people reevaluate and appreciate the knowledge and wisdom available in all the scriptures of the world is well worth our while. There's an incredible wealth of archetypal info that has been spurned by many in the name of modernity and science. 

It is described in the final canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam that in the last stages of Kali Yuga, before Kalki comes, people will have become so evil that they will only have children to eat them.

Cut it out, Sarvo, you're scaring me!

It's just all the more reason why we should try to "get it" in this lifetime and not languish here in Kali for repeated births and deaths. It would behoove us to take full advantage of this human opportunity and go back home, back to Godhead in this life.

  Except: you tend to yours and I'll tend to mine .

Thanks for the uplifting link, Vic!

Whoops, sorry about that.

My pleasure, for sure.  Here's a pic for you, Lori.  Got another one, but I'll have to take it and post it later.... it's of a sock and cats theme.

Actually, for you and Uno... taken last year, at Ripley's Aquarium.  She's beautiful.

Oh, and another 'Blobby'

Please, if you can all just forgive me, I will be very grateful. I have to learn to tend to my own so you can tend to yours. I guess I just worry too much. I'm getting old and senile. You're all so young and bright. It's very kind of you to tolerate me at all.

In order to forgive, one needs to have judged in the first place.

Oh, that's OK then. We're not allowed to judge anything. I guess I'm OK then.

If I have judged, then it is I that needs forgiven.

I still think your wrong though, but it's not a judgement, it's a fact! ;o)

The fact that I had to take birth here in this material world shows I have a predilection for making mistakes. The Vedas describe that I have four basic defects: 1. Imperfect senses 2.I'm in illusion 3. I make mistakes 4. I cheat. Therefore it's a pretty safe bet that I'm wrong. It comes with the territory. Those who think they are right are in great danger. 

Sarvo, if this is accurate: "The fact that I had to take birth here in this material world shows I have a predilection for making mistakes."  then everything written in another thread, by YOU, Alx, Freddie, and a few more, regarding 'being here' is a contradiction.

Further more, if I HAD to go around telling people they are 'defected', I'd rather not get up in the morning!!!

There is, of course, a dichotomy between our real spiritual eternal self, the soul, and this material body. Therein lies the apparent contradiction.

You, the eternal soul, are perfect. This temporary material body is subject to some difficulties.

I found a 2012 link that is not a doomsday link.

I am having good luck today, so I am sure that this will post.  

I was able to send ecards for the first time in months, and my new Avi is finally showing for me.

Here's the link. There is more to 2012 than I thought if this Site is correct.

http://www.exploringlifesmysteries.com/2012-planetary-alignment

If 2012 is doomsday, I can handle it.

If 2012 is not doomsday, I can handle it.

The fact is, I'm not going to be doing anything differently either way.

Happy Friday the 13th!

Sarvo: Therefore it's a pretty safe bet that I'm wrong. It comes with the territory. Those who think they are right are in great danger.

So, if you know you are wrong, you are right.  If you know you are right, you are wrong. 

So if you want to be right, be wrong.  Ok. Got it.

(No wonder I prefer to be in my studio.)

Living on the edge! Ain't it cool? Don't you just love it?